I bought one of these used a while back, and I don't know if it's just the run I got or what, but the one I got is much more overstable than the flight numbers would suggest. The Innova Tern has the same numbers except the Tern is a -2 turn and the Hades is supposed to be a -3. I guess it could be the discrepancy between manufacturers, but the Hades I got is more overstable than my Destroyers. It's very flat as well, which makes me think that the previous owners had it stuffed in their bag to tightly. My arm can get past the overstability when I throw it forehand, so it's workable for me. Just beware that -3 could be deceiving...